Curse

distilledwill · Oct 25, 2010, 09:45 AM // 09:45

I've recently started using my Gwen as a Panic hero - I am having trouble finding spells to fund her spamming WW, WD and Panic on recharge. Currently I'm using the following:

Panic
Wastrel's Demise
Wastrel's Worry
Signet of Weariness
Drain Enchantment
Power Drain
Inspired Hex
Glyph of Lesser Energy

Dom: 12+1+1
Fast Cast: 9+1
Insp: 9+1

Now - as you can see I've crammed a LOT of energy management in there, but at times I still see that her energy gets really low. I tried Waste Not Want Not, but I noticed she never used it as enemies are always either auto attacking or casting a spell (apart from when KDed).

So, with this in mind - I wonder what other peoples' Panic heroes are like, I know they are pretty common nowadays and I would really like to see what everyone else is running.

Ta,

Will

Chokey · Oct 25, 2010, 09:52 AM // 09:52

What would really be causing her to lose energy is wastrel's worry, a 5e skill that recharges in 1s is not a good option for a hero imo. They'll spam it, for no discernible benefit, from what I've seen.

Replace wastrel's worry with something like mistrust, and I think you'll see an improvement. Plus, mistrust is bigger damage.

MArcSinus · Oct 25, 2010, 10:40 AM // 10:40

I use:

Panic
Mistrust
Unnatural Signet
Wastrel's Worry
Wastrel's Demise
Drain Enchantment
Waste Not, Want Not
Power Drain

I've noticed a few problems, WW and WD are powerfull skills but they indeed spam it.

I took 3 energy management skills to counter that but they still run low on energy, you might want to replace one skill by something like Empathy or Overload. To bad cause WW and WD actually sync pretty nice with PAnic or PI where a lot of other skills don't.

The second problem is Panic itself, they spam it when they can and even use it on single targets. o__0

Runing your Mesmer hero with full energy runes also helps, mine are fuly runed with radiant insignias and carry a staff with +15 energy and +60 health to counter the health loss and provide additional energy. There is no benefit to having a 40/40 set on a pve mesmer hero cause of Fast Casting imo.

Xsiriss · Oct 25, 2010, 11:06 AM // 11:06

Having the Wastrel skill is counter productive,you WANT them spamming their skills so that the interrupt everything so it's a waste of energy really. I personally use:

Panic
Overload
Unnatural Sig
Complicate/Power Spike
Cry of Frustration
Leech Sig
Power Drain
Drain Ench (or swap for energy tap)

distilledwill · Oct 25, 2010, 11:13 AM // 11:13

Actually, because Panic is an AoE hex and whenever ANY of the foes activate a spell all enemies are interupted - you can make sure your target gets no skills out by putting panic on himself and his nearby allies. This will make sure that he cannot activate spells and, therefore, make sure the Wastrel's spells trigger on him - which will damage the nearby foes.

MArcSinus · Oct 25, 2010, 11:18 AM // 11:18

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Originally Posted by Xsiriss

Having the Wastrel skill is counter productive,you WANT them spamming their skills so that the interrupt everything so it's a waste of energy really.

It's all about synergy. Panic and Psychic Instability are like the most broken mass interrupt skills in the game. I don't have to explain you that most builds are build around an elite skill with synergy in mind. When the foes are doing nothing, getting interrupted or are lying on the ground you would want to use skills that benefit from that. The most noteworthy are WW, WD and WNWN.

Using something like overload in combination with a lot of interrupt skills isn't a good idea cause it's counterproductive. Btw you might wanna add Mistrust to that build, the skill is insane as previously mentioned.

It's a shame the AI sux, Fast Casting also seems to be the hero mesmer's own enemy in this.

bitchbar player · Oct 25, 2010, 11:20 AM // 11:20

replace inspired hex with guilt it will help.

Daesu · Oct 25, 2010, 04:00 PM // 16:00

Yes the energy usage needs to be worked out. Has anyone tried Drain Delusions?

Chthon · Oct 26, 2010, 01:39 AM // 01:39

I tend to use GoLE + Arcane Conundrum. I still need to stick signets in there to keep from getting low, but I find that AC really does improve the effect of Panic.

FoxBat · Oct 26, 2010, 04:39 AM // 04:39

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Originally Posted by Daesu

Yes the energy usage needs to be worked out. Has anyone tried Drain Delusions?

They'll occasionally rip a mistrust but otherwise they're quite reliable about spamming it. But again I typically don't run WW, which will wipe their energy extremely fast.

I find there are near always enough interrupt targets for cry or even overload to still trigger with the hero's absurd AI. There's always one guy in the mob panic fails to interrupt and your mesmer can still nail him. Just mind that you're doing this for the side benefits - damage or energy - because the interruption itself is kinda wasted.

distilledwill · Oct 26, 2010, 09:48 AM // 09:48

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Originally Posted by FoxBat

They'll occasionally rip a mistrust but otherwise they're quite reliable about spamming it. But again I typically don't run WW, which will wipe their energy extremely fast.

I find there are near always enough interrupt targets for cry or even overload to still trigger with the hero's absurd AI. There's always one guy in the mob panic fails to interrupt and your mesmer can still nail him. Just mind that you're doing this for the side benefits - damage or energy - because the interruption itself is kinda wasted.

Thing is - with Panic one guy in the mob HAS to get a skill off, or the other guys won't get interupted, its like the pay off you have to accept. Im going to try Guilt.

Kaida the Heartless · Oct 30, 2010, 07:24 AM // 07:24

Guys, they are spamming a 5 energy spell. Use Channeling. I think you'll be impressed.

distilledwill · Nov 01, 2010, 12:04 PM // 12:04

Well, I've managed to find a build which pumps out pretty decent damage, disruption and can maintain her energy really well:

Panic [E]
Wastrel's Demise
Mistrust
Signet of Weariness
Drain Enchantment
Power Drain
Guilt
Glyph of Lesser Energy

Once we get 7 heroes, I'll be switching out Sig of Weariness for Unnatural Signet - but currently I've replaced my MM with this Panic bar and I need a replacement for Enfeebling Blood.

Painbringer · Nov 01, 2010, 03:16 PM // 15:16

No chaos storm love? ... Glyph of lesser energy? why not waste not want not?

distilledwill · Nov 01, 2010, 04:38 PM // 16:38

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Originally Posted by Painbringer

No chaos storm love? ... Glyph of lesser energy? why not waste not want not?

Because I saw that my Gwen rarely had a chance to use it. Even the PvE Casters are always either casting or wanding. GoLE can always be used and has the potential to save me 14 energy overall (if both the spells are 10e - both are reduced to 1e, thats 9e saved each, minus the 5e it takes to cast thats 14).

And chaos storm, well I just haven't found space to slip it in!

Jeydra · Nov 05, 2010, 03:01 AM // 03:01

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Originally Posted by distilledwill

Well, I've managed to find a build which pumps out pretty decent damage, disruption and can maintain her energy really well:

Panic [E]
Wastrel's Demise
Mistrust
Signet of Weariness
Drain Enchantment
Power Drain
Guilt
Glyph of Lesser Energy

Once we get 7 heroes, I'll be switching out Sig of Weariness for Unnatural Signet - but currently I've replaced my MM with this Panic bar and I need a replacement for Enfeebling Blood.

I'm sceptical that this build does pretty decent damage - it's got a grand total of two offensive spells and 4 energy management spells.

I'd be inclined to drop Signet of Weariness and Guilt for Leech Signet + something else, perhaps Unnatural Signet if energy is still problematic, or a more powerful damage skill like Cry of Frustration or Shatter Hex if energy is fine. In the meantime though, it looks more like a defensive bar than an offensive one.

distilledwill · Nov 05, 2010, 09:47 AM // 09:47

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Originally Posted by Jeydra

I'm sceptical that this build does pretty decent damage - it's got a grand total of two offensive spells and 4 energy management spells.

I'd be inclined to drop Signet of Weariness and Guilt for Leech Signet + something else, perhaps Unnatural Signet if energy is still problematic, or a more powerful damage skill like Cry of Frustration or Shatter Hex if energy is fine. In the meantime though, it looks more like a defensive bar than an offensive one.

Well, I suggest you try it for yourself. The damage really adds up when WD + Mistrust are being used on recharge (which is very often considering fast casting and that shes using a 20/20 set). I have just finished Grothmar Wardowns HM, an area which has caused me trouble in the past due to the strong Charr groups. Gwen had no problem dealing with the flameshielders and outdamaged the healing from the menders/prophets.

I will admit that atm Gwen isn't as offensive as I'd like her, as I say - I'm swapping Unnatural Sig in there once I find a place to slip Enfeebling Blood into my hero setup.

Cuilan · Nov 05, 2010, 05:18 PM // 17:18

Try this with a domination sup rune and replace CoF with Unnatural Signet if it's too much.

Xenomortis · Nov 05, 2010, 05:43 PM // 17:43

Panic
Mistrust
Cry of Frustration
Power Drain
Unnatural Signet (eh)
...

There really isn't much for damage to make the Panic hero all that tempting. Chaos Storm sort of works, but WW and WD are really unreliable.
Energy management on the other hand is easy - Power Drain and Waste Not Want Not are usually enough if you go easy on the 10e or spam spells.
If you start trying to stick Prot Spirit on the hero, it's harder, especially since you can't just fallback to GoLE.

WW and WD also seem silly since they're spammed, costing a lot of energy, and only trigger half the time.

Cuilan · Nov 05, 2010, 09:00 PM // 21:00

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Originally Posted by Xenomortis

Panic
WW and WD are really unreliable.

I would also include Mistrust as also unreliable, it will likely fail from the foe's build or profession.